Night Mode on firmware

Switches Firmware Discussion
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I’m looking on how to set up a ‘Night Mode’ with the Red series dimmer. (FW 1.57)
Night mode is when the dimmer turns on the light ‘dimmed’ instead of the last-state.
Here’s how it works with other brands:
Homeseer dimmer: Hold the lower paddle and it turns on to the minimum setting.
Zooz: Hold the lower paddle. Turns on to a pre-set intensity (config parameter).

Tried replicating this with a central scene and it kind of works but not reliable enough for me.
It would be great if this could be done in firmware.

Other ‘dimming enhancements’ I set up on the hub are:
Once the dimmer is on, a single press on the top paddle goes back to full-on.
Also double-click the top paddle always goes back to full-on.

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Which hub are you using? Seems like it was be an easy Hubitat RM to switch between day/night mode with the parameters set.

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I’m using Homeseer.
I don’t want to ‘switch to’ night mode. This is done from the dimmer when turning on by holding the lower paddle instead of clicking on the top paddle.

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Ahhhh, now I’m picking up what you’re putting down. I’m afraid the default answer will be no more room on the chip. Still think it can be done on Hubtiat (sorry, that’s all I know), but would be time based vice whenever the individual wanted to set night mode (unless scene is configured for x taps).

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Could you do something with the default level based on time of day?

It’s semi-late in the day and I am a little foggy now, so apologies if I’m not understanding exactly, but from what I’m reading, are you essentially wanting the dimmer to only turn onto a certain level at night?

In other words:

  • Between the hours of 8am-6pm, when you turn on the switch, it goes to the last state
  • Between the hours of 6pm-8am, when you turn on the switch, it will go to a defined level (ex: 40%)

Is that what you’re looking for?

If so, I’m not entirely sure how to do it in HomeSeer, but you would utilize Parameter’s 9 and 10. I know in SmartThings or Hubitat, you can set time limits based on those parameters so that the default state only happens during those times. I’m not sure if you can do that on HomeSeer.

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It should be reliable as a scene - turn-on to 1% level if scene is button held down with the conditions that the dimmer is off and the time is between designated hours. If dimmer is already on or not between the hours then do nothing. Dimmer already on condition allows user to brighten and dim it as normal.

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This is the scene in Homeseer

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Not entierely reliable.
Sometimes it works.
I do have one dimmer with firmware 1.47. Don’t know if 1.57 is better in this regard. (The rest of the dimmers are FW 1.57)

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Here is what I do that works perfectly.

I use the default local and z-wave brightness parameter, and I set it each time my circadian rhythm changes integer values (perhaps overkill, but it works great). So during the day, my default on brightness is 99, but over the span of the evening, the default changes down to 98, 97, then all the way down to 1. I also override straight to 1 when bedtime/sleep modes are activated. Here is how it looks:

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I really need to get these on multicast :smiley:

Edit: So your potential solution COULD be to set the parameter to 1 or 10 or whatever when you change modes or trigger it (however you want), then set it back to 99 when you see another trigger.

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I appreciate it. Interesting work with NodeRED. I have not used it with Z-Wave. Out of curiosity, what are you using it with?
What I wanted is just much simpler: No everyone in the house is on the same page on dimming schedules, so what I want to do is much simpler: If anyone holds the lower paddle, it turns on dimmed, otherwise it works normally when pressing the top paddle.
I could also use the config button or a double-click, but also want to keep it consistent with other dimmers that work intuitively by holding the bottom paddle,

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Gotcha, so from off to dim would be via held down scene. Seems doable to me with an automation?

I’m on Home Assistant.

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Update: Got it working. The scene works as intended.
The problem is that I was not waiting long enough. Have to hold the lower paddle for about 3 seconds before the switch sends the message.
It would be nice to be able to configure the ‘hold down’ timer on the switch.

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I think this is done by the multi-tap delay parameter. Once that is up and the button is still held, it sends the “held start” scene. I also think there is a held released???

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Which command would that be? I don’t seem to find it in the manual PDF. Thanks!

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Parameter 50 is the delay time in question.

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Appreciate. Is this documented anywhere? It kills me that the manual PDF doesn’t get updated. I want to get over what else is there. Thanks

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This is the best resource I have found for to-date parameters and their descriptions. It is the database that z-wave JS uses to config devlices:

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Beautiful, can you share that flow so I can dig through it and maybe mod to fit my setup?

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Yeah you found one of our Achilles Heels. One of the really silly things that I don’t understand is that every time we update the manual, even if it isn’t anything to do with UL, we have to run it by UL (and of course pay a hefty fee).

We got reprimanded pretty bad the first time we changed the manual and all we did was change up the Z-Wave portion. So, we had to change it back.

What we’re working towards is a community driven knowledge base that I should (finally) be launching this week for early testing.

The point of this KB will be a repository of Wiki type articles that should have everything you’ll need to know about setting up products, automations, etc based on your hub. In addition, information about the products, including firmware change-logs will be included.

I know it will start out rocky, but hopefully since it’s community lead (we’ll also of course help) it will always be up to date and there won’t be any of these instances again where manuals are outdated, tutorials are wrong, etc.

It’s the best idea we could come up with given there’s 5 of us here and there are so many hubs, firmware iterations, etc.

I’m looking forward to it!

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@samduster Happy modifying!:

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Agreed, that is a silly rule, especially if the change has nothing to do with UL requirements…I’ll make a suggestion that, once the KB is in a decent place content-wise, you make one (hopefully) final change to the ‘manual’ by stripping out everything not required by UL, and replace it with something like, ‘For more information, check out our knowledgebase Here!’…with any luck, that’ll be the LAST time you ever have to update it! (saving both money and time in the long run :wink: )

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