NZW97 - trying to add to new Hubitat, old Wink hub is not available for exclusion

I have a NZW97 which was paired with a Wink hub which is now physically gone. I have tried various inclusions with rapidly pressing the button 5 times within 2 seconds to see if that would allow it to enter an inclusion, but that hasn’t seemed to work.

1 - start inclusion on hub, plug in, no result
2 - start exclusion on new hub, plug in, no result, try #1 again after
3 - start inclusion on hub, plug in, press button 5 times
4 - start exclusion on new hub, press button 5 times, try #1 and #3 again

I have tried pressing the button 5 times quick, slower, 10 times (on and off 5 times).

Am I out of luck here with no old hub to exclude from?

You ought to be able to do a General Exclusion. I don’t use Hubitat, but here is how to do it from their manual, Section 5.1.

https://docs.hubitat.com/index.php?title=Z-Wave_Manual#Z-Wave_General_Exclusion_-_Remove_devices_from_a_previous_hub_connection

Have you tried the following sequence of events?

  1. Plug in NZW97, wait 2 minutes
  2. Start exclusion on hub and press button 5x
  3. Wait 1 minute
  4. Start inclusion on hub and press button 5x

I followed this but the following tweaks seemed to be needed for it to work on my 7-8th attempt.

Then

  1. waited 10 mins (I tried 5 earlier, YMMV) after plugging in
    1.1) I believe what was most important was the plug was ON first, solid light. Then the 5 presses seemed to count.
  2. I did the general exclusion (top right z-Wave details, exclude) instead of the exclusion on the device discovery.

I’m not sure which of the above made the difference but I appreciate the support!